Lord Roger II DE MONTGOMMERY, 1st Earl of Shrewsbury, Earl of Arundel

1022 - 1094  (72 years)

• Name	Roger II DE MONTGOMMERY
  Prefix	Lord
  Suffix	1st Earl of Shrewsbury, Earl of Arundel
  Born	1022	Exmes, Normandie, France
  Gender	Male
  Buried	1094	Shrewsbury Abbey, Shropshire, England
  Died	29 Jul 1094	Shrewsbury Abbey, Shropshire, England
  Person ID	I13575	Young Kent Ancestors
  Last Modified	22 Mar 2016

  
  

  Father	Roger I DE MONTGOMMERY, Seigneur of Montgomery, Vicomte d'Hiemois,   b. 0975, Saint-Germain-de-Montgommery, Calvados, Normandy, France ,   d. 7 Feb 1055, Paris, Ile DE France, France  (Age ~ 79 years)
  Mother	Josceline DE PONT-AUDEMER,   b. 0975, Pont-Audemer, Eure, Haute-Normandy, France ,   d. 7 Feb 1050, Pont-Audemer, Eure, Haute-Normandy, France  (Age ~ 74 years)
  Family ID	F4075	Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

  
  

  Family	Mabile DE BELLEME, Dame de Alençon, de Séez, and Bellême, Countess of Shrewsbury, Lady of Arundel,   b. Abt 1025, Normandy, France ,   d. 2 Dec 1079, Bures-Sur-Dives, Normandy, France  (Age ~ 54 years)
  Married	1050/1054	Normandy, France
  Children	1. Mathilde aka Maud DE MONTGOMMERY,   b. Aft 1039,   bur. 1085, Abbaye de Grestain, Normandie, France  (Age ~ 44 years)
  Last Modified	20 Mar 2022
  Family ID	F4074	Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

  
  

• Notes

  Source <http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLISH%20NOBILITY%20MEDIEVAL.htm#_Toc321390488>: "ROGER [II] de Montgommery, son of ROGER [I] Seigneur de Montgommery and Vicomte de l'Hiémois & his wife Josceline --- (-Shrewsbury 27 Jul 1094, bur Shrewsbury Abbey). Guillaume of Jumièges names "Hugo et Robertus, Rogerius et Willelmus atque Gislebertus" as the five sons of "Rogeri[us] de Montegumeri", adding that they had remained in Normandy during their father´s exile. The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names "Rogerum de Montgommeri" as son of "Iosceline". His father's name is confirmed by the charter dated to [1079/82] under which "Roger ex Northmannis Northmannus son of Roger" donated property to St Martin, Troarn for the soul of "his wife Mabel lately deceased". He succeeded his father as Seigneur de Montgommery, Vicomte de l'Hiémois. Orderic Vitalis records that "Rogerius de Monte-Gomeri, Oximensis vicecomes" expelled the canons from Troarn, where they had been installed by "Rogerius pater suus". "…Rogerii de Monte Gomerici…" witnessed the charter dated to [1055] under which Guillaume II Duke of Normandy donated property to the abbey of Marmoutier. "…Willelmi filii Osberti, Rotgerii de Monte Golmerii, Richardis vicecomitis Abrinchensis…" witnessed the charter dated [1055/56] under which Guillaume II Duke of Normandy "in pago…Constantino, villam…Flotomannum" to Saint-Florent de Saumur. Orderic Vitalis names "...Rogerius de Bellomonte et Rogerius de Monte-Gomerici..." among the leading lords under Guillaume II Duke of Normandy. A charter dated 1066 records his pardoning the abbey of Sainte-Trinité de Rouen for a calumny. The Brevis Relatio de Origine Willelmi Conquestoris records that "Rogero de Montgumeri" contributed 60 ships towards the invasion of England in 1066. He remained in Normandy at the time of the Norman invasion of England in 1066 to assist Duchess Mathilde to govern the duchy, but accompanied King William I to England in Dec 1067: Orderic Vitalis records that, when King William returned to England, 6 Dec 1067, he appointed "Mathildi conjugi suæ filioque suo Rodberto adolescenti" to govern Normandy ("principatum Neustriæ"), adding that the king took with him "Rogerium de Monte-Gomerici" whom he had appointed as "tutorem Normanniæ...cum sua conjuge" when he had left for England for the first time and that King William granted "primo Cicestram et Arundellum...post aliquot tempus Scrobesburiensem" to Roger. [Earl] of Chester and Arundel. Earl of Shrewsbury. Orderic Vitalis records that "Rogerius de Monte-Gomerici", after the fall of "Geroiana progenies", held "totum patrimonium Excalfoii et Monasterioli" for about 26 years. The Chronique de Normandie, based on le Roman de Rou, records that William I King of England made "le Conte Rogier de Montgomery et Guillaume le filz Osber" his two "Marechaulx d´Engleterre" after the conquest of England. He became Sire d´Alençon, de iure uxoris, after the death in 1070 of her paternal uncle Ives Bishop of Seés. ... m firstly ([1050/54]) MABILE d'Alençon, daughter of GUILLAUME "Talvas" Sire d'Alençon & his first wife Hildeburge --- (-murdered Bures 2 Dec 1079, bur 5 Dec 1079 Troarn). Guillaume of Jumièges records that "Willelmus cognomento Talavatius" married "Hildeburge...filiam Arnulfi" by whom he had "Arnulfum et Mabiliam" and whom he had strangled "a duobus parasitis". Guillaume of Jumièges records that "Willelmus Talavatius", after he was exiled, arranged the marriage of "filiam suam...Mabiliam" to "Rogerium de Monte-Gummeri" who received him in his household. Orderic Vitalis records that "Ivo filius Willermi Belesmensis...neptem...Mabiliam" married "Rogerius de Monte-Gomerici Oximensium vicecomes" who through her obtained "magnam partem possessionis Willermi Belesmensis", adding that Mabile was "a forceful and worldly woman, cunning, garrulous and extremely cruel" ("potens et sæcularis, callida et loquax, nimiumque crudelis"). "Rogerius comes…et sua uxor Mabilia atque suus filius Rotbertus" donated property to Notre-Dame de Bellême by charter dated to [1070/79]. Orderic Vitalis records that she was murdered by Hugh Bunel, son of Robert "de Jalgeio" from whom she had taken his castle, who found her "relaxing in bed after a bath [and] struck off her head with his sword". "Roger ex Northmannis Northmannus son of Roger" donated property to St Martin, Troarn for the soul of "his wife Mabel lately deceased" by charter dated to [1079/82], subscribed by "Rogerii comitis, Rotberti filii eius, Hugonis, Rogerii, Philippi, Arnulfis [filiorum eius]". m secondly ADELAIS du Puiset [de Breteuil], daughter of ERARD [I] Comte de Breteuil, Vicomte de Chartres & his wife Humberge ---. Orderic Vitalis records that, after the death of his first wife, "Rogerius [de Monte-Gomerici]" married secondly "Adelaisam Ebrardi de Pusacio...filiam", by whom he had "unum...filium...Ebrardum...inter regales capellanos usque hodie...in aula Guillelmi et Henrici, Angliæ regum" for about 26 years. Earl Roger & his first wife had ten children: 1. ROGER de Montgommery (-[before 1060/62]). 2. ROBERT de Montgommery "de Bellême" ([1052/56]-[Wareham Castle] 1 or 8 May 1118 or [after 1129], bur [Wareham Castle]). ... 3. HUGUES de Montgommery ([1053/59]-Anglesey 31 Jul 1098, bur [17 Aug 1098] Shrewsbury Abbey 4. ROGER de Montgommery "le Poitevin" (-1123). ... 5. PHILIPPE de Montgommery "Grammaticus" (-Antioch 1099). 6. ARNOUL de Montgommery (-after 1119). ... 7. EMMA de Montgommery (-4 Mar 1113). 8. MATHILDE de Montgommery (-[1085], bur abbaye de Grestain). ... 9. MABILE de Montgommery (-after 1132) 10. SIBYLLE de Montgommery. ... Earl Roger & his second wife had one child: 11. EVERARD de Montgommery (-before [1135/36]). ..." ______________________________________ Source : "Roger de Montgommery (ou Montgoméri, Montgomery) dit Roger le Grand (vers 1030 - 27 septembre, seigneur de Montgommery, vicomte de l' Hiémois, et sire d'Alençon, fut l'un des seigneurs les plus riches de l' Angleterre nouvellement conquise par Guillaume le Conquérant. Il créa l'une des seigneuries les plus puissantes et stratégiquement importantes apparues après la conquête normande. Il fut 1er comte de Shrewsbury à partir de 1074. Un proche de Guillaume le Conquérant Il était le fils d'un autre Roger de Montgommery, vicomte d'Hiémois, un fidèle du duc de Normandie Robert le Magnifique. Roger de Montgommery hérita des vastes domaines de son père, situés principalement dans le sud du pays d'Auge, au centre de la Normandie. On ne connaît pas vraiment son attitude pendant la minorité de Guillaume le Bâtard, fils et successeur de Robert le Magnifique. Les guerres entre barons normands troublaient cette période (1035-1047) et bafouaient l'autorité ducale. L'historien contemporain Guillaume de Jumièges avoue que Roger et ses 4 frères se livrèrent "à toutes sortes de crimes" mais il ne développe pas. Craint-il d'offenser Roger qui, au temps de la rédaction de l'ouvrage (vers 1070), est devenu l'un des plus puissants barons anglo-normand et l'un des proches collaborateurs de Guillaume le Conquérant ? À l'inverse, on peut penser que si Roger est né vers 1030, il n'a pas pu participer activement à ces troubles en raison de son jeune âge. Ce qui est sûr, c'est que pendant l'enfance du duc, la famille de Montgommery ne fut pas particulièrement fidèle au prince : le père Roger Ier a dû quitter la Normandie, sûrement parce qu'il s'était révolté ou avait comploté contre le pouvoir ducal ; l'un des frères, Guillaume, a assassiné le sénéchal du jeune duc Osbern ; vers 1040, le tuteur du duc Alain III de Bretagne trouva la mort en assiégeant le château de Montgommery. La position de Roger de Montgommery est beaucoup plus claire après l'affermissement du pouvoir de Guillaume le Bâtard. En 1050, il faisait partie des principaux conseillers du duc : il contresigna une charte du duc en faveur de l'abbaye d'Ouche aux côtés des grands barons et évêques de Normandie. Le duc Guillaume le nomma vicomte d'Exmes (ou d'Hiémois), une fonction qu'occupait autrefois son père Roger Ier. Conscient de son importance, Roger II n'hésita pas à s'intituler < comte de Montgommery > dans deux chartes ducales alors que son domaine n'était qu'une simple châtellenie. En 1066, Guillaume le Bâtard partit à la conquête de l'Angleterre mais Roger ne l'accompagna pas. Il fournit tout de même 60 navires pour l'expédition et appuya la duchesse Mathilde, aux côtés de Lanfranc et de Roger de Beaumont, dans le gouvernement et la défense de la Normandie. L'alliance avec la famille de Bellême ... Roger II de Montgommery en Angleterre ... Révoltes en 1087-1088 ... Famille et descendance En premières noces, Roger II de Montgomery épousa Mabille Talvas († 1082), fille de Guillaume II Talvas et héritière d'un vaste domaine aux confins de la Normandie et du Maine: la seigneurie de Bellême. Il en eut 10 enfants. Roger épousa ensuite Adélaïde de Breteuil, fille d'Évrard, comte de Breteuil et vicomte de Chartres, dont il eut un fils Éverard. À sa mort, les biens de Roger furent divisés. Robert, le plus âgé de ses enfants survivants reçut la majorité des terres normandes. Le suivant, Hugues, reçut en partage les terres anglaises et le comté de Shrewsbury. À la mort de Hugues, Robert hérita du comté." ___________________________ Source <http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Montgomery.pdf>: "Roger II "Le Jeune>" de Montgomery (ass., Shrewsbury) seigneur de Montgomery, vicomte d'Hiémois, comte d'Alençon, seigneur de Bellême et de Domfront (par son mariage), Régent en Normandie (1066), en Angleterre (12/1067), fait earl of Sussex (1071) et earl of Shropshire, créé 1er earl of Shrewsbury (01-04/12/1074) sur la marche Galloise, reçoit les château et ville de Chichester et Arundel, rebelle contre Guillaume II (1089) (charte 1066 à La Sainte-Trinité de Rouen ; charte royale à l'Eglise de Bayeux 24/12/1074 ; fonde les Abbayes de Sées, Trouard et Almenèches ; donateur à Saint-Etienne de Caen, Saint-Pierre-sur-Dive, Grestain et Saint-Evroult ; fonde en Alngleterre l'Abbaye de Saint-Pierre de Scrobesbury) ép. 1) 10/1054 Mabile (alias Mathilde) de Bellême ou d'Alençon + 02/12/1079 (Bures, ass. par Hugues Bunel, fils de Robert dont elle avait confisqué le château) dame de La Roche-Mabile , Alençon (61) et Sées (61) (fille de Guillaume Talvas de Bellême, fondateur de Domfront, et d'Hildeburge) (Ordéric Vital lui a fait la réputation - à tort ? au moins partiale - d'une cruauté féroce voire extrême) ép. 2) après 1082 Adélaïde (Adelaïs, Alix) de Breteuil (alias du Puiset) (fille d'Erard 1er, comte de Breteuil, vidame de Chartres, et d'Humberge) ___________________________ Source (Montgomerie) : "... little is known of Roger's history prior to the year 1048, the date of his first marriage. We gather the story of his Norman life, chiefly from the pages of the Monk of St. Evroult, Ordericus Vitalis, who while having a high esteem for his character, never lost sight of the fact that Mabel, Roger's wife, was an enemy of the abbey of which he had become a monk. But while Roger " loved and honored the monks," he admits, " the wife could not employ openly her wickedness to destroy them." He says of him " that he was a very prudent and moderate man, pious, a great lover of equity, and of discreet and modest persons. For a long time he had near him three scholars full of prudence, Godebauld, Ordelirius, and Herbert, whose counsels he followed with advantage." Ordelirius, called of Orleans, son of Constantius, was the father of Ordericus; and owned the timber chapel at Shrewsbury, on whose site Roger afterwards built his great Abbey. Besides the personal knowledge the historian must have had of Roger and of his family, he had at his command the fruits of his father's personal intimacy with him; and the statements his history gives in relation to him or to any of his sons, are to be considered as entirely credible.... Roger's marriage into a violent and turbulent family, brought him in connection with some severe family feuds. His wife's family bore " an enduring hatred" to the family of the Giroie, one of whom had been the benefactor of the Abbey of St. Evroult; so far had this been carried, that the abbey and its monks were much annoyed by Mabel, and indeed illtreated out of spite.5 After the fall of the Giroie, Roger during nearly twenty-six years possessed all the patrimony of Echaufour and Montreuil.6 Our historian tells us that after his wife's death, Roger " assidu... The Earl of Shrewsbury had by his wife, Mabel, several children. I. Robert, "de Belesme," who succeeded to the Norman estates of his parents, and eventually to the english'possessions of his brother. II. Hush de Montgomerie, Earl of Shrewsbury and Arundel, succeeded his father" III. Roger De Montgomerie, called le Poitevin, Earl of Lancaster, and Count of Marche,5 was involved in the misfortunes of his family, which taking part with Robert, Duke of Normandy, in his vain efforts to supplant Henry I. on the throne of England, lost all its possessions both in England and Wales, as well as many of those in Normandy. IV. Philip De Montgomerie, known as the Clerk, or the Grammarian,... In 1096 he accompanied Duke Robert in his crusade to the Holy Land, and died at the siege of Antioch, which continued from December, 1097, to the month of June following. V. Arnulph, or Arnaud De Montgomerie, sometimes called Earl of Pembroke, the ancestor of the present male line of the family. VI. Emma, Abbess of Almeneches VII. Mathilde, or Maud, married Robert, Earl of Moreton in Normandy, and Earl of Cornwall in England, who was half-brother of William the Conqueror. VIII. Mabel, married Hugh de Chateau-neuf, nephew and heir of Albert Ribald. (Chateau-neuf in the Thimirais.) Their son-in-law was Gervaise de Neufchatel. Mabel was living in 1131. IX. Sybille, married Robert Fitz Hamon, descended from Robert, the second son of Rollo." -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Roger came to England in 1967 and received extensive grants of land in different parts of the kingdom. He was created earl of Shropshire in December 1074, a position which gave him palatine control of that county and placed him among the greatest of the Marcher lords; but he and his successors were usually styled earls of Shrewsbury. A great patron of monasticism, he became a monk in his newly founded Abbey of Shrewsbury just before he died in 1094. His Norman inheritance passed to his eldest surviving son, Robert of Bellême, and the title and the English lands went to Robert’s younger brother, Hugh. Upon the latter’s death in 1098, the title went to Robert. [Source: http://www.britannica.com/biography/Roger-de-Montgomery-1st-earl-of-Shrewsbury] ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Roger was thus one of the half dozen greatest magnates in England during William the Conqueror's reign. William gave Earl Roger nearly all of what is now the county of West Sussex, which at the time of the Domesday Survey was the Rape of Arundel.[2] The Rape of Arundel was eventually split into two rapes, one continuing with the name Rape of Arundel and the other became the Rape of Chichester.[2] Besides the 83 manors in Sussex, his possessions also included seven-eighths of Shropshire which was associated with the earldom of Shrewsbury, he had estates in Surrey (4 manors), Hampshire (9 manors), Wiltshire (3 manors), Middlesex (8 manors), Gloucestershire (1 manor), Worcestershire (2 manors), Cambridgeshire (8 manors), Warwickshire (11 manors) and Staffordshire (30 manors).[3] The income from Roger’s estates would amount to about £2000 per year, in 1086 the landed wealth for England was around £72,000, so it would have represented almost 3% of the nation’s GDP.[4][5] After William I's death in 1087, Roger joined with other rebels to overthrow the newly crowned King William II in the Rebellion of 1088. However, William was able to convince Roger to abandon the rebellion and side with him. This worked out favourably for Roger, as the rebels were beaten and lost their land holdings in England. Roger first married Mabel de Bellême, who was heiress to a large territory straddling the border between Normandy and Maine. The medieval chronicler Orderic Vitalis paints a picture of Mabel of Bellême being a scheming and cruel woman.[6] She was murdered by Hugh Bunel and his brothers, who in December 1077? rode into her castle of Bures-sur-Dive and cut off her head as she lay in bed.[6][7] Their motive for the murder was that Mabel had deprived them of their paternal inheritance.[8] Roger and Mabel had 10 children: Robert de Bellême, Count of Alençon in 1082, he succeeded his younger brother Hugh as 3rd Earl of Shrewsbury. He married Agnes, Countess of Ponthieu and died in 1131.[9] Hugh of Montgomery, 2nd Earl of Shrewsbury, died without issue 1098.[10] Roger the Poitevin, Vicomte d'Hiemois, married Adelmode de la Marche.[11] Philip of Montgomery.[12] Arnulf of Montgomery,[12] married Lafracota daughter of Muirchertach Ua Briain.[13] Sibyl of Montgomory, she married Robert Fitzhamon, Lord of Creully.[14] Emma, abbess of Almenêches.[15] Matilda (Maud) of Montgomery, she married Robert, Count of Mortain and died c. 1085.[16] Mabel of Montgomery, she married Hugh de Châteauneuf.[12] Roger of Montgomery, died young. Roger then married Adelaide de Le Puiset, by whom he had one son, Everard, who entered the Church. After his death, Roger's estates were divided.[17] The eldest surviving son, Robert, received the bulk of the Norman estates (as well as his mother's estates); the next son, Hugh, received the bulk of the English estates and the Earldom of Shrewsbury.[17] After Hugh's death the elder son Robert inherited the earldom.[17] 2. Salzmann.'The rape of Chichester: Introduction', A History of the County of Sussex: Volume 4: The Rape of Chichester (1953), pp. 1-2. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=41682 Date accessed: 8 August 2010 3. Horsfield. History of Sussex. pp.76 - 77 4. Domesday Pase 5. Britnel, R.H.; Campbell, Bruce M. S., eds. (1995). "Appendix 2". A Commercialising Economy: England, 1086 to c1300. Manchester University Press; 1st edition. ISBN 0-7190-3994-0. 6. a b Vitalis.The ecclesiastical history of Orderic Vitalis, Volume 2 Book 3. pp.49-55 7. Vitalis. The ecclesiastical history of Orderic Vitalis, Volume 2 Book 3. Footnote pp.54-55. Discussion on date of death of Mabel of Bellême, 1077 and 1079 being the most likely. 8. Allen Brown. Proceedings of the Battle Conference on Anglo-Norman studies: 1978. p.41. 9. George Edward Cokayne, The Complete Peerage; or, A History of the House of Lords and all its Members from the Earliest Times, Volume XI, Ed. Geoffrey H. White (The St. Catherine Press, Ltd., London, 1949), p. 695 10. George Edward Cokayne, The Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom, Extant Extinct or Dormant, Vol. I, Ed. Vicary Gibbs (The St. Catherine Press, Ltd., London, 1910), p. 233 11. George Edward Cokayne, The Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom, Extant Extinct or Dormant, Vol. IV, Ed. Vicary Gibbs (The St. Catherine Press, Ltd., London, 1916), p. Appendix I, p. 762 12. a b c K.S.B. Keats-Rohan, Domesday People, Vol. I Domesday Book (The Boydell Press, Woodbridge, UK, 1999), p. 399 13. W.H. Turton, The Plantagenet Ancestry; Being Tables Showing Over 7,000 of the Ancestors of Elizabeth (daughter of Edward IV, and wife of Henry VII) the Heiress of the Plantagenets (Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore, 1968), p. 144 14. George Edward Cokayne, The Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom, Extant Extinct or Dormant, Vol. V, Ed. H. A. Doubleday & Howard de Walden (The St. Catherine Press, Ltd., London, 1926), p. 683 15. J.R. Planché, The Conqueror and His Companions, Vol. I (Tinsley Brothers, London, 1874), p. 202 16. K.S.B. Keats-Rohan, Domesday People, Vol. I Domesday Book (The Boydell Press, Woodbridge, UK, 1999), p. 372 17. a b c George Edward Cokayne, The Complete Peerage; or, A History of the House of Lords and all its Members from the Earliest Times, Vol XI, Ed. Geoffrey H. White (London: The St. Catherine Press, Ltd., 1949), pp. 688, 689-92 [Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_de_Montgomerie,_1st_Earl_of_Shrewsbury] --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Roger married Mabille DE BELLEME [646], daughter of Guillaume II DE BELLEME, Seigneur D'alençon [647] and Hideburge DE BEAUMONT [652], in 1050-1054 in , Normandie, France.1 (Mabille DE BELLEME [646] was born about 1025 in , Normandie, France,1 2 died on 2 Dec 1079 in Bures-Sur-Dives, Normandie, France 1 and was buried in Troarn, Normandie, France 1.)