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| Name |
Alice ARDERNE OR ARDREN |
| Born |
Abt 1412/1433 |
England  |
| Gender |
Female |
| Died |
Bef Oct 1473 |
Kingston, Kent, England |
| Person ID |
I12107 |
Young Kent Ancestors |
| Last Modified |
29 Jun 2017 |
| Family |
John A’DENNE, b. Abt 1425, d. Dec 1475, Denne Hill, Kingstone, Kent, England (Age ~ 50 years) |
| Married |
1434/1453 [1] |
| Children |
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| Last Modified |
20 Mar 2022 |
| Family ID |
F3588 |
Group Sheet | Family Chart |
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| Notes |
- in British Chancery Records:
Name: Thomas Denne
Place: Surrey
Date: 1449-1453
Volume: 1
Page: 197
Bundle: 19
Name: Miles Denne
Place: Kent
Date: 1465-1471, 1480-1483
Volume: 1
Page: 333
Bundle: 31
Name: Richard A. Denne
Place: Kent
Date: 1475-1480, 1483-1485
Volume: 2
Page: 199
Bundle: 53
Name: Bettres A. Denne
Place: Kent
Date: 1475-1480, 1483-1485
Volume: 2
Page: 199
Bundle: 53
Name: Agnes A. Denne
Place: Kent
Date: 1475-1480, 1483-1485
Volume: 2
Page: 199
Bundle: 53
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Source for attachment of this Denne to Alice Arderne is Visitations of Kent 1619-1621, fol. 99, specifically footnote on that page referencing Harleian MSS 1432, folio 245.
Source for genealogy of Arderne as compiled here - http://www.robertsewell.ca/cathdenne.html:
XLII
Alice Savage m. Roger de Pilkington
?
XLIII
Margaret Pilkington m. John de Arderne
?
XLIV
Blanche Arderne m. William Stanley
?
XLV
Katherine Stanley m. Ralph Arderne
?
XLVI
John Arderne m. Alice Heaton
?
XLVII
Richard Arderne Kent 1619
XLVIII
Alice Arderne m. John Denne Kent 1619
XLIX
Michael Denne m. Christian Combe Kent 1619
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CHAPTER: 002: Arderne from http://balcro.com/carol.html
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Carol Middleton's Arderne line
Lynn Arderne shares with us the family's place in history: during the
English Civil War of the 17th century Sir Ralph Arderne (1608)
supported Oliver Cromwell but his son, Sir John Arderne, supported
King Charles II and went into exile with him until the Restoration,
when he was knighted at Whitehall and appointed Sheriff of Cheshire. A
similar situation arises during the Wars of Roses when our family
supported the Lancastrians, through marriage and property ties.
Sir John de ARDERNE and Margaret de ALDFORD
Sir Walkyn de ARDERNE and Agnes de ORREBY
Sir Peter de ARDERNE and Margery (-?)
Sir John de ARDERNE and Margery ap MADOC
Sir John de ARDERNE and Alice de VENABLES
Peter de ARDERNE and Cicely de BREDBURY
Charles de ARDERNE and Elizabeth RADCLIFFE
John ARDERNE and Ellen DUNCALFE
George ARDERNE and Katherine PALMER
Richard ARDERNE and Margaret GREENE
Alice ARDERNE and John DENNE
With thanks to Steve Brown, Lynn Arderne and Bruce Ardern Note from
Lynn Arderne: There is a South African branch to the family., begun in
the early 1800s, when a young Arderne son, Richard Crewe Arderne,
decided to make his fortune in South Africa. Unfortunately he and his
wife died shortly after arriving in SA in 1849 but their son, John
George Arderne (b. 1838), was the first male Arderne born in Africa
and the Southern African branch are all descended from this one man.
Bruce Ardern has Ardernes in Cheshire -- Altrincham, Timperley &
Mere.
DISCLAIMER: please bear in mind, some of the information on these
Arderne pages, especially the dates may be skewed. Since I am still
gathering material, I have not corrected the more obvious. Please
pardon those errors and know that in time, I hope to get it right.
Some newer material gleaned from "The Magna Charta Sureties" by
Frederick Lewis Weis.
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Sir John de ARDERNE and Margaret de ALDFORD
Husband: Sir John de Arderne
LifeNotes: Knight. Received ca 1220 the fee of Aldford, (destroyed by
the Welsh during the medieval border wars), comprising 24 manors, from
Randle Blunderville, the 6th Earl of Chester. Built castle of Aldford.
Born: Married: Died:
Parents: Eustace de Arderne of Warwick.
Wife: Margaret de Aldford
LifeNotes: Descended from Ralph, Viscount of Bayeux, from the family
of Averanches Earls of Chester, and from the noble lines of St.
Hillery, Montalt, Orreby, Glanville, and Sackville.
Born: Married: Died:
Parents: Richard de Aldford
Their children were:
* Walkyn de Arderne. Knight. See his page. Married Agnes de Orreby,
daughter of Phillip de Orreby and Leuca de Mohaut. Walklyn acquired
more manor properties, including Alvanley, through his marriage to
Agnes. Their son: Sir Peter de Arderne (m. Margery ?; their son) who
received Alvanley as inheritance. See his page.
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Sir Walkyn / Walcheline de ARDERNE and Agnes de ORREBY
Husband: Sir Walkyn / Walcheline de Arderne
LifeNotes: Knight of Aldford and of Alvaney. Justiciary of Chester
1253-1259. Walklyn acquired more manor properties, including Alvanley,
through his marriage to Agnes.
Born: 1216
Married: 1240, Alvany, Cheshire, England
Died: 1265-8
Parents: Sir John de Arderne and Margaret de Aldford
Wife: Agnes de Orreby
LifeNotes:
Born: Alvany, Cheshire, England
Married: 1240, Alvany, Cheshire, England
Died:
Parents: Phillip de Orreby and Leuca de Mohaut
Their children were:
* Sir Peter de Arderne. See his page. Married in 1265 to Margery
(-?). Died ca 1289.
* Sir John de Arderne, born Aldford, Chestershire and Sandbach.
Married ?. Their child: Matilda de Arderne (m. John de Legh of Booths,
Chestershire, son of John de Legh and Ellen de Corona. John de Legh
was descendant of Hamon de Legh, Lord of the Mediety of High Legh in
the reign of Henry II, whose descendants had absorbed by marriage the
notable families of Swineshead, Oughtrington, Corona, and Sandbach.
The child of Matilda de Arderne and John de Legh was Matilda de Legh
who married Richard Radclyffe.
* Sir Thomas de Arderne, born 1250, Aldford, Chestershire.
* Sir Gilbert de Arderne, born 1248, Aldford, Chestershire.
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Sir Peter de ARDERNE and Margery (?)
Husband: Sir Peter de Arderne
LifeNotes: He was a Knight and bore arms. Was of Alford, Alvaney,
Chestershire.
Born:
Married: in 1265
Died: ca 1292
Parents: Sir Walkyn / Walcheline de Arderne and Agnes de Orreby
Wife: Margery (-?)
LifeNotes:
Born:
Married: in 1265
Died: Parents:
Their children were:
* Sir John de Arderne, born 1266. See his page. Married Margery ap
Madoc, daughter of Griffeth ap Madoc, Lord of Brimfield.
* Agnes Arderne, born 1267, Bromfield, Chestershire. Married Sir
Warin Mainwaring, Knight of Wormington. Their daughter: Matilda
Mainwaring (m. Sir William de Trussell, Knight, Lord of Cubbeston and
Wormington)
* Cicily Arderne, born 1270, Bromfield, Chestershire. Sir Walkelin de
Arderne, born 1273, Bromfield, Chestershire.
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Sir John de ARDERNE and Margery ap MADOC
Husband: Sir John de Arderne
LifeNotes: Knight. Was of Alford, Alvanely, Alderly, aand Elford.
Born: 1266, Alford, Alvanely
Married: before 1299
Died: 1308
Parents: Sir Peter de Arderne and Margery (-?)
Wife: Margery ap Madoc / Margred ferch Gruffudd
Married: before 1299
Died: after 1315
Parents: Griffith ap Madoc, Prince of Powys, and Emma d'Auditheley /
Audley, daughter of Henry d'Audithley and Bertred Meisnilwarin.
Granddaughter of Madoc ap Griffith and Gwyladys. Great granddaughter
of Griffith Maelor ap Madoc and Angharad (daughter of Owen Gwynedd,
Prince of North Wales). This Madoc line leads up into the ancient
Welsh royals. The d'Auditheley / Audley line leads back to Henry I of
England (d. 1135).
Their child was:
* Sir John de Arderne, Knight. See their page. Married Alice de
Venables, daughter of Hugh de Venables.
* Agnes Arderne, born 1305, Aldford, Chestershire. Married Sir John
Whetenhall. Their daughter Margaret Whetenhall (m. Adam Bostock).
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Sir John de ARDERNE and Alice de VENABLES
Husband: Sir John de Arderne
LifeNotes: A Knight of Alford and Elford, Cheshire, England
Born: probably about 1300
Married: about 1307-8, Aldford, Chestershire
Died: ca 1349
Parents: Sir John de Arderne and Margery ap Madoc
Wife: Alice de Venables
Visit the Bulletin de Liason de VENABLES online where there is an
English version and a French version as well.
Married: about 1307-8, Aldford, Chestershire
Parents: Hugh de Venables, Baron Kinterton, and Agatha de Vernon
Their children were:
* John Arderne, born 1321. Held manor of Nether Alderley, which had
been in the family since 1220. In the early 1440s ownership passed to
the Stanley family when Matilda de Arderne married Sir John Stanley of
Latham. Married Cecily de Eton, daughter of Sir Nicholas de Eton of
Kent. They divorced in 1332 and Cecily remarried to Sir Edward Warren.
John married in 1341, Aldford, Chestershire, m-2nd: Ellen de
Wasteneys. Their children: Aline Arderne (b. 1347, Aldford,
Chestershire), Cecily Arderne (b. 1348, Aldford, Chestershire),
Elizabeth Arderne (b. 1346, Aldford, Chestershire), Isabella Arderne
(b. 1345, Aldford, Chestershire), Matilda Arderne (b. 1344, Aldford,
Chestershire m. Robert de Legh of Adlington, Cheshire), Thomas Arderne
(b. 1340, Aldford, Chestershire), Walkelyn Arderne (b. 1341, Aldford,
Chestershire).
* Peter de Arderne, born 1327, Aldford, Chestershire. See his page.
Part of the lands of Over Alderley passed to Peter in 1337. Took his
father's place in 1340. He acquired Harden through marriage to Cecily
de Bredbury and the family began being known as "of Harden and
Alvanley"
* Margaret Arderne, born 1329, Aldford, Chestershire. Married
Nicholas de Eton, Baron of Stockport, son of Sir Nicholas de Eton of
Kent.
* Elizabeth Arderne, born 1318, Aldford, Chestershire.
* Aline Arderne, born 1320, Aldford, Chestershire.
* Cicily Arderne, born 1321, Aldford, Chestershire.
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* Peter de ARDERNE and Cicely de BREDBURY
Husband: Peter de Arderne
LifeNotes: "Part of the lands of Over Alderley passed to Peter de
Arderne in 1337. The estate remained with the family until the
heiress, Margaret married Richard de Weever ... At the time that Peter
de Arderne acquired his estate of Over Alderley, his elder brother -
Sir John Arderne - already held the manor of Nether Alderley, it
having been in the family since about 1220. Early in the fifteenth
century the ownership of Nether Alderley changed when Matilda de
Arderne married Sir John Stanley of Latham." One of the coats of arms
at the top of the church tower is said to be those of Arderne. From:"
Sans Changer: A Walk Through The Stanley Country" Wilmslow Historical
Society Trail No 3, 1983. (thanks to Helen Parsonage)
"Annals of Bredbury" by James Cocks, Pt I, 1924, says: "1331 (Feb
5th)- Peter de Arderne, eldest son of Sir John de Arderne, of Aldford,
espoused Cicely, daughter and co-heiress of Adam de Bredbury. Both
parties were infants at the time. From this 'arrangement' dates the
five centuries' connection of the Arderne family with Bredbury."
Born: about 1327, of Aldford and Alvanley, Cheshire, England,
christened Cheshire, England
Married: 2/5/1331, Harden Hall, Bredbury, Chestershire
Died: 1378-9
Parents: Sir John de Arderne of Aldford and Alice de Venables
Wife: Cicely de Bredbury
Born: about 1327, Harden Hall, Cheshire, England
Married: 2/5/1331, Harden Hall, Bredbury, Chestershire.
Parents: Adam de Bredbury and Cicely (-?). Adam, born 1300 Cicely,
born 1304.
Their child was:
* Matilda de Arderne, born 1345, Harden Hall, Chestershire.
* Charles de Arderne. See his page. Married Elizabeth Radcliffe.
* Hugh de Arderne, born 1350, Harden Hall, Chestershire. Married-1st:
Agnes de Hulme. Married-2nd: Cecily de Hyde., daughter of Ralph de
Hyde. Entered upon his estate ca 1369. Spent 1386-91 in service to his
King, Richard II, in Ireland in the company of Sir John de Stanley.
Hugh de Arderne later held several positions of importance in
Cheshire. Their children were: Ralph Arderne (m. Katherine Stanley,
daughter of Sir William Stanley of Wooten; d. 1446-7), Alice Arderne
(m. ca 1414-5 to Christopher Davenport, son of Nichols Davenport).
Hugh de Arderne died ca 1420.
* John de Arderne, born 1360, Alvanley, Cheshire, England. Was of
Harden. Married (-?). Their children: Charles de Arderne of Timperly,
Margery or Blanche de Arderne (b. 1386, Aldford, Cheshire, England; m.
William de Stanley, son of Sir William and Margarey Stanley), Hugh de
Arderne of Dorfold.
* Blanche Arderne. Married William Stanley of Hooten, Chestershire.
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Charles de ARDERNE and Elizabeth RADCLIFFE
Husband: Charles de Arderne
Born: Timperley, Chestershire
Parents: Peter de Arderne and Cecily de Bredbury
Wife: Elizabeth Radcliffe
Born: Backford
Parents: Richard Radcliffe of Backford
Their child was:
* John Arderne of Timperly. See his page. Married Ellen Duncalfe.
* Hamo Arderne. Married Margaret Strangwich, daughter of Sir Giles
Strangwich, Knight. Their son: William Arderne of Timperly (m. Sybylla
Warbuton, daughter of Peter Warbuton of Arley; was Mayor of Altricham
in 1560).
* William Arderne. Married Helen Done, son of John Done and
granddaughter of George Done of Chichester.
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John ARDERNE and Ellen DUNCALFE
Husband: John Arderne
Born: Timperley, Chestershire
Married: 1375
Wife: Ellen Duncalfe
Married: 1375
Parents: Thomas Duncalfe (per The Visitation of Cheshire, 1580)
Their child was:
* George Arderne. See his page. Married Katherine Palmer.
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George ARDERNE and Katherine PALMER
Husband: George Arderne
Parents: John Arderne and Ellen Duncalfe. See their page.
Wife: Katherine Palmer
Parents: Robert Palmer of Parham, Sussex
Their child was:
* Richard Arderne. See his page. Married Margaret Greene.
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Richard ARDERNE and Margaret GREENE
Husband: Richard Arderne
Born: about 1380
Married: about 1405
Parents: George Arderne and Katherine Palmer
Wife: Margaret Greene
Born: in Sussex, England
Married: about 1405
Parents: Thomas Greene of West Marne Sussex
Their child was:
* Alice Arderne, born about 1412, Kent, England. See her page.
Married John Denne.
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Alice ARDERNE and John DENNE
To glimpse how Alice and John might have dressed, visit the Rose
D'Zynes and see historical attire of 15th century England.
Wife: Alice Arderne
LifeNotes:
Born: about 1412, Kingstone, Kent, England
Married: 1434-5, Kent, England
Died:
Parents: Richard Arderne and Margaret Greene. See their page.
Husband: John Denne
LifeNotes: See his Denne page.
Born: about 1407, Denne Hill, Kingstone, Kent, England
Married: 1434-5, Kent, England
Died: will dated 10/7/1476
Parents: Thomas Denne and Isabella de Earde. See their page.
Their children were:
* Michael Alured Denne, born about 1440, Denne, Kent, England. See
their Denne page. Married Catherine or Christiana Combe? Fort. Their
children: Thomas Denne, William Denne. Michael Alured died 1493,
Denne, Kingstone, Kent, England
* Parnell Denne, born about 1438, Denne Hill, Kingston, Kent,
England. Married William Keale.
* Thomas Denne, born about 1442, Denne Hill, Kingston, Kent, England.
Married Agnes Eschehurst in about 1467, Denne Hill, Kingston, Kent,
England.
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Raymond l. montgomery
28/10/1998
I recieved this and thought i would pass it on, for correction by those
powers that be on Medieval Roots
RAY
From: Siriu...@aol.com
To: foxl...@JUNO.COM
Subject: Warren to Charlemagne
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 16:18:09 EDT
Message-ID:
Hi Ray:
You have obviously found another serious contradiction in Jerry's
genealogy.
He shows the line of descent as follows:
John De Arderne b abt 1266 m Margaret Griffith b abt 1270
John De Arderne bef 1308 m Alice Venables b abt 1308
Peter De Arderne b abt 1327 m Cicely De Bredbury b abt 1327
John De Arderne b abt 1350 m ?
Charles Arderne b ? m Elizabeth Radcliffe b ?
John De Arderne b ? m Ellen Duncalfe b ?
George Arderne b ? m ?
George Arderne II b abt 1350 m Katherine Palmer b abt 1350
Richard Arderne b abt 1380 m Margaret Greene b ?
Alicia Arderne b abt 1412 m John Denne b abt 1407
Michael Denne b abt 1440 m Christina Fort b ?
This shows that George Arderne II was born about the same year as his
great
great grandfather, John De Arderne!!!. Obviously there are some extra
generations inserted here. What is your record of how Richard Arderne b
abt
1380 descends from John De Arderne b bef 1308? If you will let me know I
will
inform Jerry and see what his comments are.
Gordon W. Pace
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G . EDWARD ALLEN
02/11/1998
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The Augustan XXI:1:4 et seq., Allen Cabaniss:
1. Alice Arderne = John Denne, of Kingston, will dated 10/7/1476; s & h
Thomas Denne and Isabella de Earde. Visitation of Kent 1619, p. 99.
William Berry, County Genealogies:Kent, pp. 194f. These are of
questionable reliability. I would consult Ormerod's Hist. of Ches.
Helsby ed. under Timperley.
2. Richard Arderne.
3. Margaret/Mary.
Hugh C. Penfold, "Sussex Pedigrees", a MS in Reference Library,
Brighton, England, IV: fol. 27. Cites Harleian MSS 1076 and 6164.
Visit. of Sussex, 1530, p. 195. Visit of Kent. 1619, Harl. Soc. 53,
citing Harl. MS 1432, fol. 245.
4. George Arderne (2).
5. Katherine Palmer.
Penfold, as above. Visit. Ches. 1580, p. 19. Visit Sussex 1530, Harl.
Soc. 42: 194.
6. Thomas Greene of West Marne Sussex.
8. George Arderne (1), b. Chester, to Chichester, Sussex.
9. Anne Tregall.
Visit. of Ches. 1580, p. 19. Penfold, as previously.
10. Robert Palmer of Parham, Sussex.
16. William Arderne, 2nd son of Timperley.
17. Ellen Done.
Visit. Ches. 1580, p. 19. The Genealogists' Magazine (May, 1942): 226.
32. John Arderne of Timperley.
33. Ellen Duncalfe.
Visit. Ches. 1580, p. 19.
34. John Done of Hamshire sic. Check Ormerod for Done. Also VCH
Hampshire.
64. Charles Arderne of Timperley.
65. Elizabeth Radcliffe.
J. F. Earwaker, East Chesire, I:473ff. Ormerod, Hist. Ches. Helesby ed.
II: 85, 365, 548. Visit. Ches. 1580, Harl Soc. 18:19.
66. Thomas Duncalfe.
128. John Arderne of Harden, living 1379.
130. Richard Radcliffe of Backford.
131. Margaret Chadderton.
256. Peter Arderne.
157. Cecily Bredbury.
Hope this helps. I feel that the later generations are really lacking in
adequate documentation. This needs much more work.
Kay Allen AG all...@pacbell.net
ray montgomery
05/12/1998
kay
Thank you very much for this info!!!!
it is greatly appreicated
RAY
On 2 Nov 1998 11:01:09 -0800 all...@pacbell.net (G . EDWARD ALLEN)
writes:
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>The Augustan XXI:1:4 et seq., Allen Cabaniss:
>
>1. Alice Arderne = John Denne, of Kingston, will dated 10/7/1476; s &
>h
>Thomas Denne and Isabella de Earde. Visitation of Kent 1619, p. 99.
>William Berry, County Genealogies:Kent, pp. 194f. These are of
>questionable reliability. I would consult Ormerod's Hist. of Ches.
>Helsby ed. under Timperley.
>
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